Saturday, February 16, 2013

Dialogues w/Dominic...DIY nondual awakening w/job, family...

A recent post on DIY nondual awakening "DIY nondual awakening w/big job, family, 3 yrs on/off practice..", detailed some of Dominic's (real name) experiences and daily practice.  Given the interest, here are redacted e-mails preceding the earlier blogpost, oldest first.  "String" titles are Dominic's.  He's OK w/sharing.



Is This The Truth?
Ramana Maharshi

Hi Gary,    

...emotions really took over recently...

Working overtime with constant inquiry.  Reading Ramana.  Who am I?  Where am I?  Why am I?  Inquiry about 20% of waking hours.  Whenever it comes up...

Dominic



Hi Dominic,  

Great that you are being so diligent w/inquiry.  That is the way to make "nonduality", stillness and "no thought", or much reduced thought, a reality...

gary 




Hi Gary,  

...waking up to the dream qualities of life.  Moment by moment, message by message, breath by breath, and the mind can't understand it.  Hard to accept that nothing ever happens.  As soon as it does it is only a memory.  Tough pill to swallow when for so long I thought otherwise.  The thinking is what does it... 

...Stuck between the draw towards ego and acceptance of truth.  I cry often at the realization of grace. 

How in a moment all is forgiven so simply.  I forgive myself at times and i am able to forgive others.  No judgement, understanding of the pain. . .

i am really ready Gary.  I have no fighting left in me.  I surrender.  I give up.  I will do whatever it takes.  The truth is not as easy as I figured it to be or actually it is not as simple as my mind made it out to be.  The reality is deeper than i could have ever imagined. 

Life can seem like a nightmare. . 
I am a manifestation of life, however there is nothing there.  Can't be seen, touched, tasted, heard.  I look at my hand but i perceive it so it can't be mine.   I don't have or own anything.

i am getting to the point where i don't want to even speak.  Quiet seems right.

I thought, wanted, and expected it to be more than this...

Lost

Does life give you what you need for awakening?  Is that the entire point every day, every moment, (that) the entire world has been put in our faces to snap us out of the dream and awaken...?

...i never thought i would be e-mailing with you and the kindness i have gotten back is amazing and truly a gift. Thank you is all i could say.

Dominic


Hi Dominic,  

yes...everything, everything, has been arranged just so we can wake up.  Even what is seemingly the most trivial event, or something you just heard walking through a crowd, can be a catalyst..."to snap out of the dream and awaken".   Everything matters, and that's why it is all out of our control, we can't know which "something" will matter enormously.

gary



Changes that are arising...

Hi Gary,


Thought arises, i feel the emotion brought about in the body...Others are becoming much more interesting to me each moment as i let go of myself. It's fun. I can do this. Persistence.

This is like peeling an onion. :-)

Dominic


Hi Dominic,


...great that you are enjoying "peeling the onion"...it really is a fascinating, even exciting and enjoyable process of discovery once you get the hang of it and see that it gets better and better the further you go.


...you have seen much...more understandings will be manifesting as the onion peels itself.

gary






Hi Gary,

Yes, understandings unfold, i see them everyday. 

...realizations happen...stood in the garage, looked at a "bicycle"...really looked at the bike.  Hard to put in words, but we call it a "bike" because i have been trained and told a bike looks like this, two wheels, pedals, seat, spokes.

However when i investigate...it is nothing at all and also many, many different things... am starting to deeply question what i have been taught... i realize that these teachings were just what others have been taught or told prior to being passed on to me. 

..."truth" is much different than the "world".  Truth is simple, easy, and quiet...when realizations occur there is a voice inside..." this can't be true",  "there is more to life than this", "you will lose everything", "you will die if you let go of everything you have been told".   I see this.  There seem to be many layers to my onion....

My last guru(s) seem to be "my" wife and child.  Trouble occurs when i think about letting attachment to them go also.   The same voice..."you are a fool if you don't mind what happens", "how could you not let something like that bother you", "men don't talk about feelings", etc...on and on.

Inquiry and a direct method such as the one we practice is the only way for freedom.  I see this more and more everyday.

Doing the best i can.

Dominic



Hi Dominic   

yes, my wife and daughters have been my greatest Zen masters.  my deep attachment to my daughters was what held me back from totally surrendering...i was unwilling to expose them to whatever lay "beyond"...  

i found that was totally wrong.  When i did surrender...and when the page soon turned, i found that i was a "better" father than ever before.  i had no agenda, so i could be totally present for them w/o bias or "storyline", however they were manifesting and wherever life was leading them.

i was more present for "work" as well, and w/o a lot of interference in my mind clouding my understanding, i did better @ whatever i did, so could also provide for them even better than before.

...The "best you can do" turns out to be exactly perfect.

gary





A Glimpse or Two


Hi Gary,   

Experienced the "no me, no you, no other"...fun and easy.  Different than "i" thought it would be. So much love in the moment and feeling of bliss...overwhelming joy a couple of times today and right now as i type.  Acceptance has a feeling of immense overwhelming love.  Love of life.  Love of the fact that everything is ok.

Each moment feel like there is an immense space between actions, reactions, thoughts.  Habits are not seeming like habits anymore.  Space between thought, and reaction to thought.

...a thought arises and it's like, "ok, here we go again", chuckle at the thought, see it for its futility, smile at it, let it dance a little, watch it leave, and on to the next cloud that passes by.

I feel like i'm winning. But then i see that thought.
There is nothing to win or lose. How could there be?

Question...Life was never Dominic's to claim as his.   When Dominic's body is gone, awareness is left.  Does awareness have a memory?  Does awareness remember experiences?...Why am I here?  How did i get here?...Where did his imagination come from?

Dominic






Hi Dominic,  

...wonderful understandings arising in your work, and your relationship w/your wife..."work", even highly complex and fast-moving work like yours, goes on more easily, and more fully, w/o all of the problematic, stress-causing, emotionally-based narrative. 

re your question on "what happens when Dominic's body is gone?"...as Dominic "goes away", day by day, it is no longer a body belonging to someone, it is just a body moving through its dance until that dance is over.  It has always been that way, as the body "does itself" perfectly.

..there was a mental construct that some folk agreed should be called "Dominic", that seemed like it inhabited and was limited to, and identified w/that physical form.  

As "Dominic" is increasingly seen as just an "idea", just a "thought" that is used to string together other thoughts about experiences and emotions, there is just what was there before Dominic arrived, deep stillness and presence, beingness and consciousness.  There is never a time when beingness isn't there...it is ALWAYS there, never MIA.  


Higgs Boson
"The God Particle"
...physics is coming to the consensus that there is an all-pervading energy that has always been there.  we don't know what "it" is, but it follows that we, and everything else, are part of that.  

gary


Tests

Hi Gary   

...there are times when things occur that result in inquiry and I don't react verbally, but they cause anxious feelings....

Wife says something that causes me to get jealous...mind responds with a story.  I perform inquiry.  Thought disappears, but anxious feeling stays...Do these feelings disappear with practice because there is no I, me, my to care about them?

Do the thoughts eventually stop coming?...Is the point to wake up in the dream state of life?   Wake up to who I am?  Does it even matter if I continue with inquiry?  What's the point of waking up?  Why does it matter?

So many questions. . .
Who is asking them ?
Who am I?
I don't know.
The "I don't know" concept is what drives me.
I want to know.

WHO AM I?
I feel like screaming it!
Who am I?
"...snap the hell out of it.  Wake up.  Stop worrying about stupid shit.  What the hell is wrong with you"?  You're nuts for thinking this stuff."

...constant dialogue that swirls in the head after "crazy" thoughts arise..."blah blah" crap.

Some days I wish there was a magic wand to turn it off.  In all honesty I wish this was easier Gary.

I feel like giving up and then not giving up.  Sometimes life feels like a really, really sick joke. . . Most of humanity suffers through self inflicted pain on a daily basis created by this thing we call ego, or I, or mind or whatever label we put on it.

Kind of depressing. Kind of sucks...it's the way it is. We go about our days playing these fake roles...All I can do is trust and it will be revealed.

Who is having these thoughts?  Who am I?

And as usual there is no thing there.

Dominic 



Hi Dominic,  

...this "process" is ultimately out of your control.  The brain is doing it "all by itself", so all of the angst and protestations are just the I/me/my creating stories about a process it isn't involved in, doesn't understand, and can't find a way to stop.  The I/me/my is fighting for its "life".

re "giving up", try it and see if you can.

...just "let go, let go, let go" of these stories as they arise.  As jealousy, with its stories and projections, arises, just ask "Is this true?  Can i be certain that it is true?,  How do i feel when the jealousy is there?  Can i let go of it?"...even if you refuse to let go of it, just considering letting go of it will weaken its neural structure.   you can let go of it, really, if you want to.   

Yes, thoughts can disappear - you've already seen that...Mediated feelings, even w/o thoughts...like jealousy, will disappear w/practice.  Just keep inquiring; there is an I/me/my there someplace that is now not even able to make it all the way to a thought.

As you say "And as usual there is no thing there".

gary



The Weekend



Hi Gary,   

...at the parents...different energy...more lighthearted...father-son, mother-son roles don't seem to be playing out.  Don't know why but just the way it is...due to the fact that there is little "blah blah" mind activity so far.  The genuine relationship feels better. 
...Direct inquiry has found its place in my heart. Too simple of a task not to. 
Catching thoughts as they occur and performing inquiry is like pouring water on a spark before it turns into a fire.

Questions are often arising about what it is like after the I, me, my thoughts have surrendered?

...then I remember to ask. Who is having these thoughts about the future?

Will there be anymore questions?
Then it occurs to me.
Most likely not because who would ask them?

Or if there are questions, they are simple, straightforward, and without attachment, i.e. "What time is the meeting?", "Where is the wedding?", "How old is she/he?" 

...no I, me, or my, then there is nothing to gain.  Nothing to lose.  Nothing to be afraid of...on and on...a bunch of no things.

The clouds are clearing away and the sun is starting to shine. Slowly but surely.

Thank you as always.

Dominic 



Hi Dominic   

The simple questions, like "Are the ribs done yet?", "Where is the meeting?"...will continue...that is "semantic" information, not emotional/autobiographical information which is where the problems arise.  you can accumulate and process all of the semantic information that your job, family, etc. require w/o getting dragged back into the emotionally-charged, self-referential narrative.   

As/if/when you come upon an emotional-engaged thought, or sensation, just use the inquiry..."Catching thoughts as they occur and performing inquiry is like pouring water on a spark before it turns into a fire."

Don't worry...what it is like for someone else..continue w/"Who has this uncertainty, or fear over what lies ahead?"...there is nothing there to fear, no crushing pain or horrendous suffering beyond imagination, no inability to function, etc.  Just stay present w/the inquiry.  

Things are going very well...Old troubled relationships change as the same folk isn't there anymore to hold the old stories.

gary


Cannot Describe It

Hi Gary,  

Keeping this short. I now understand why some choose silence as the method of communication. Words and speaking are like the ant in comparison to the universe.  So content knowing everything is as planned.

Dominic



BTW, all of the Dialogues with Dominic are in Dominic's new book "Dialogues with Dominic: A Chronicle of Inquiry and Awakening" along with dialogues that occurred after the posts, and dialogues of Dominic with the editor of the book, who i have also worked with for some time.


18 comments:

  1. Gary and Dominic,

    Thank you both very much for sharing this exchange. I've been meditating for a few years and have begun using self inquiry in the past 6 months, the past month more regularly and it's great to see some of my feelings, questions, and concerns reflected in Dominic's experience. Books so often just show the "bright" side and often leave out the nitty gritty daily struggles and questioning of whether this is really worth it, or am I just nuts like everyone who knows what I'm doing suggests? Seeing the fluctuations in your(Dominic) perception of how it's going is reassuring that "I" am heading in the right direction, even with the occasional doubt.

    Thanks again,

    Brian Eleven

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    1. Hi Brian,
      Great to hear that you are enjoying the happiness beyond thought blog. IME, the question of "whether this is really worth it" has come up from time to time. The thought was not very useful. At times the thought was entertained and created a web of other thoughts and ultimately brought me back to the only thing that worked. . . Inquiry: Who is having this thought? Who am I?

      IME, suggestions from others become less sticky the more persistent inquiry becomes. The things people "know" are seen through for what they are.

      BTW. It is worth it.

      Happy

      Dominic

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    2. Dominic,
      I've got a couple questions if you don't mind.
      First, do you have any sort of regular seated/formal meditation practice? I'm assuming not but just wanted to clarify.
      Secondly, when you are "doing" inquiry is there any particular place you keep/place your attention? This question is probably a result of my meditation background.
      I've found myself trying/striving too hard during all this and "who is striving", if applied early cuts through all the tension this creates so it's been a very helpful technique.
      Thanks in advance for your time and help.

      Brian.

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    3. Hi Brian,
      Great questions. . .
      No formal meditation. . Practice daily meditation as needed through inquiry. Persistence has worked IME.

      Experience this for yourself and be persistent with inquiry. Try it to the best of your ability whenever needed. Be strong and a surprise might happen. .its not in the future, not in the past. IME, inquiry is performed, no thing is there. The focus is in the question itself.

      Find inquiry that touches your being. . Who cares? And Who am I? These work for me. . .

      Past: No thing ever really happens. As soon as it happens it is a memory, thought, gone.

      Future: Thoughts, fantasy, illusion,.

      Present: Be still for it.

      Ask yourself Who am I?

      Where am I?

      Do you have the answer or is there no thing?

      No free will.

      Be the watcher.

      Experience this.

      Everything plays its own course.

      The sweetness occurs as grace in the moment.

      Simple inquiry in the moment can be performed all day as needed.

      Striving happens, but to whom?

      Just ask the question.

      Smiling and happy

      Persistence

      Dominic

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  2. Great post, Gary and Dominic. A lot of motivation to keep on the track. Thank you very much.

    A question to Gary: I'm not using much verbal/mental self-inquiry (sometimes I do) but I'm more of the timejust trying to be aware/conscious and feeling the "presence" or "I'm" feeling. How both techniques relate? do you think one is better thant the other? Thank you again

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  3. Hi 道 (which i believe translates as "The Way" or Tao),

    Most folk start w/mentally asking the self-inquiry question, like "Where am I?", "When am I?", "What is this?", or "Who hears?". This is really an "inquiry", not a "mantra" which one parrots endlessly and mindlessly.

    It is something that one explores w/curiosity and interest. If you notice, the mind often stops immediately after the question is asked. That is one important answer...there is nothing there. It also gives the brain an example, a data point, that it can use to repattern its functional structure.

    After doing the verbal inquiry for a while, it becomes a routine that the brain automatically and "nonverbally" employs sometimes when an emotional situation arises, especially a "sticky" one. The more one has used the inquiry the more automatic and powerful it becomes.

    As one progresses, one is increasingly in a state of pure stillness and presence w/fewer and fewer self-referential thoughts, desires and fears.

    Focusing on the "I am" feeling can also be a powerful practice, which eventually becomes the state of pure stillness and presence w/o needing someone to focus.

    In my experience, one needs to look consciously at their attachments, as that is where the "I" holds on. If one is attached to their body, their possessions, their relationships, their money, etc., all can be looked at and the attachment eventually surrendered by just using the "let go, let go", or Byron Katie method described in earlier blogposts, esp. "Surrendering the "I"...letting go of suffering" @ http://preview.tinyurl.com/anfoagp.

    This is all in my book, which is downloadable free @ http://preview.tinyurl.com/bslfll8. If you have any other questions, let me know.

    stillness

    gary

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    1. Yes Gary, it means Tao, Dao or Do, Way or Path it's a good translation I think...

      Talking about self-inquiry

      By now, I can, as soon as I found my brain thinking just go back to the witness, I dont need now to ask any question to do so, It's nearly automatic, in that case do you think it will be useful for me to do self-inquiry about "Who am I?"

      I also find that there're two kinds of daily awareness, you can be very aware of your physical environment or just aware of your "I'm feeling"m just "be conscious that you're conscious". Both situations put me in a witness position but they feel different, in the second situation the world becomes less important and you feel more bliss and you can exist and do everything in the world without nearly even noticing it. In the first situation you see the world brighter and fresh, new and somehow different, and I feel very aware and awaken.

      I dont know for sure if I'm explaining myself...

      And also I dont know what kind of "awareness" is better... :(

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    2. Hi 道,

      The second kind of daily awareness you describe w/having the "world becomes less important and you feel more bliss, etc." is the desirable one for awakening. As long as you are focused on "objects" like your physical environment in your first kind, you are likely to be pulled away by/into distractions and there is no deeper perspective cultivated.

      As explained in the earlier reply, i found inquiries other than "Who am I?" to be more useful, like "Where am I?", "Who hears?", etc. They are less likely to lead to intellectual conceptualizing.

      As it is "nearly automatic", as long as you are stable in the second kind of awareness, there is no need to verbalize internally the question. If you find yourself getting drawn back into thought, emotions, stories, etc., then use the verbal internal inquiry to bring yourself back.

      stillness

      gary

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    3. Thank you very much Gary, your reply it's a lot useful! :)

      BTW it's very funny when I try to post a comment and you blog replies "prove you are not a robot" (and show me the captcha)... It makes to self inquiry every time... :)

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  4. Gary--

    Thank you for another encouraging post and for freely sharing your book; I look forward to reading it and incorporating it into my practice.

    I've been struggling a lot with the recent, tragic loss of a close friend of mine; he died in a car accident at the age of 26. I was wondering how a self-inquiry practice might work with a devastating loss such as this.

    In a way, I feel as though the death of my friend has shattered my perception of life/reality and I'm not sure how to practice with the broken pieces. Again, there is the question of how to make sense of/practice/live in a world that is all too fragile, temporary, painful, and seemingly indifferent.
    How to experience this overwhelming grace, acceptance, love, joy, and bliss that you and Dominic speak of? This sense of ease, even fun, around the feeling that everything is OK? How to practice when life and reality seem anything but?

    How to love all of this?

    I’m sure you've addressed this, at least indirectly or in part elsewhere, but I’d appreciate any feedback you have for me in this moment.

    Best,

    --Nick

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  5. Hi Nick,

    When i was about the age of your close friend (and presumably you), i was the unofficial chugging champion of the North Atlantic submarine fleet based in Scotland. On returning from a 3 month period underwater, our submarine ran into a submerged mountain and we came w/in 30 seconds of losing everyone and barely escaped. my best friend from submarine school, and everyone on board, died when his submarine went down shortly after our event. i lost many university buddies in Vietnam soon after they arrived.

    These "shattered my perception of life/reality" and were major "wake up" events that precipitated my plunge into spirituality. i realized that it was imperative to get control of the chaos of my mind, and its endless, meaningless, thoughts. That is what led to my deep questioning, self-inquiry, meditation, etc. and the willingness to "do whatever it took" to awaken, including surrender everything.

    There have been several blog posts on what to do to find this "overwhelming grace, acceptance, love, joy and bliss", including "What is the "Direct Path" to nondual awakening?..." @ http://preview.tinyurl.com/ckwlumk. There are also many blogposts on "no free will" and many videos, including "Everything is Predetermined: Einstein and Ramana Maharshi on Free Will" @ http://youtu.be/XqLDWyk1uLQ.

    you can also take your friend's passing as his gift to you, as "proof" that you are not in control, that as my one Zen teacher said frequently, "what happens to you is none of your business". The big surprise for me was that when i lost the "I" through self-inquiry, and self-referential thoughts, desires and fears fell away, it was obvious there was no free will, as there was no one to have it, and never had been.

    When you really get that, life, perhaps surprisingly, becomes a beautiful dance w/no regrets, good or bad deeds, no should haves or could haves. There is only now, just this moment, dancing its beautiful, magnificent, perfect dance in this unimaginably sweet, all-pervading stillness and peace beyond understanding.

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  6. Thank you, Gary; I appreciate it.

    --Nick

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  7. hello gary and dominic!
    thanks so much for those posts. they are very helpful.
    dominic, I understand you didn't have any "regular seated/formal meditation practice" as Brian mentioned. so what you did was basicly just doing the inquiry from morning till bedtime? didn't you feel you need to build your concentration at the same time? isn't it much mroe powerful to do inquiry when you are sitting still with eyes closed and very concentrated?
    also, where you inquiring while say, washing the dishes? I find it kinda hard to do actually...
    thanks anyway
    sean

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    1. Hi Sean,
      Great questions!
      IME, self inquiry is utilized as needed when I, me, or my thoughts surface. Made a commitment to ask Who am I? whenever thoughts arise that cause discomfort. This practice is definitely not a perfect one and surrender is essential. There is a light hearted approach and there are no expectations. Things are simple and easy, yet the mind would like to complicate.

      re:so what you did was basicly just doing the inquiry from morning till bedtime?
      Self inquiry is performed with the best of ability as needed throughout the day.If you forget to perform inquiry, no sweat, there will be other opportunities.

      re: didn't you feel you need to build your concentration at the same time?
      Concentration is not needed. Keep it simple, don't worry about concentration.
      Thoughts arise, perform inquiry, move on. Or sometimes, thoughts arise, perform inquiry, thoughts arise again, perform inquiry, then move on. .. This is not a practice that requires any special skills, special genes, or anything other than persistence to question thoughts. The mind may try to convince you that this is difficult. Be persistent and do not worry about it.

      re: isn't it much mroe powerful to do inquiry when you are sitting still with eyes closed and very concentrated?
      IME, I, me, my thoughts occur throughout the day, in the morning, and evening .There is plenty of opportunity to practice self inquiry during those times. No worries about concentration.

      re: also, where you inquiring while say, washing the dishes?
      If I, me, my thoughts arise, yes.
      If i am washing the dishes, no.

      Happy you asked these questions Sean. Perfect timing as all is well.

      Smiling

      Dominic

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    2. hey dominic
      I have 3 more questions
      1. what do you mean by "This practice is definitely not a perfect one and surrender is essential"? were you practicing surrender in some sort of a way? saying "yes" or somethinglike that?
      2. almost every thought is a I,me,my thought. so how microscopic should you go? should you inquire almost every thought you can? because planning worrying and and making calculations about your day and about your life almost never stops. IME at least. so should I keep the inquiry mainly for the really discomforting thoughts? or rather expand it include all I me my thoughts?
      3.what is your opinion about going to a psychologist for example? As I see it, it can't go together with true inquiry, as it is all talking and contemplating about the self. you think it can be helpful anyway? (of course im not talking about non-dual psychologists)

      thank you very much
      sean

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    3. Hi Sean,
      Awesome questions!
      1. Do not expect anything from self inquiry. This is what is meant by surrender. Just do it the best you can whenever i, me, my occurs. Thoughts about "past" or "future". You will not be perfect at this, no one is. Just be persistent. That is all.
      2.Any thought that takes you out of the present. IME, these are thoughts that cause discomfort about "me".. .these are the sticky thoughts that take the mind on a ride. They all revolve around a personal me and they carry strong emotional charges.
      IME, the self referential i, me, my thoughts are not useful. Questioning all of them has been the greatest tool.
      Remember question 1. This is not a practice of perfection. Surrender and do your best. That is all that is required. Persistence may lead you to a point where the question "Which thoughts should i question?" disappears. Experience this for yourself.
      3. Nothing needs to be fixed.

      Happy right now.

      Dominic

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  8. Hi Dominic,
    Are you still doing self inquiry? Do you have fewer thoughts since 4yrs ago? Do your emotions catch you off guard less and take a hold of you less than 4yrs ago? Do you still recommend self inquiry as a practice? Anything else cool happen in the last 4yrs?
    Thanks,
    -Austin

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    1. Hi Austin,

      Thanks for reaching out.

      Yes, still practice inquiry however it tends to happen rather quickly w out much thought or effort. Almost automatic.

      Thoughts have decreased quite dramatically over the years however there are occasional days or weeks that i "bounce" into thought loops.

      The relationship to emotions has changed, however emotions still arise. There are still tears of joy or sadness from time to time, but the thoughts regarding the emotions and whether they are "good" or "bad" has subsided.

      Tend not to recommend anything to anyone, but rather assist those whom Self inquiry resonates with.

      Many "cool" things have happened in the last 4 years, but most notably a friend decided to take the reins as an editor for Dialogues With Dominic, available on Amazon which trust has helped some folk.

      Thanks again.

      Dominic

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