Saturday, March 8, 2014

Dialogues w/John (cont.) - openness, love, peace, freedom

John Gallagher (real name) works in retail tech support, has 3 young kids, and was brought up as a charismatic Christian.   Six yrs ago he went into contemplative Christianity, doing contemplative prayer for 3 yrs.  He has been working in nonduality for about a year, practicing deep surrender and acceptance.  This is a two month FB messaging follow-up on an earlier post "Dialogues w/John...10 wks to "absolute, stunning, perfection...". 


John

Sweet

More has fallen away... revealing the I am that I am.

The All that I am.   And that is truly a revelation

Gary

There were several verses from the Bible that Ramana Maharshi used in his teachings, particularly "I Am That I Am", and "Be still and know that I Am God".  Ramana said that all of advaita Vedanta is condensed in those two statements.

John


‘I am that I am’ sums up the whole truth. The method is summed up in ‘Be still’.
What does stillness mean? It means ‘destroy yourself’.

Because any form or shape is a cause of trouble. Give up the notion that ‘I am so and so’.
I guess this is what some people call God consciousness or Divinity or things like that.  It's amazing!  We're all here and you are me!  I noticed that too. All just positionalities...

The whole feeling of this being a dance is becoming more and more apparent to 'me'


Gary

It's a useful metaphor.
Just posted a youTube video "The"I" can't dance..." which you might find useful.

John

Very cool!  Totally resonates with me.
There is a wonderful collective energy, isn't there in all kinds of settings!
So, hey, the whole Silence thing is really happening here.

Like not actually quiet, but kinda sinking into Reality... It's kind of... mega!

Gary

Just stay present for it, and let it "happen", and enjoy the "sinking into Reality".
It feels more and more "locked down".
There's nothing to be done to "make it happen better".


John

It's kinda funny... I feel like I'm beyond choosing...
Which is new for me! Or perhaps it's always been this way


Gary

That is a "common" report as folk move deeper.
As the belief in a single "John" moves to many ad-hoc "Johns", much weaker and dis-assembled, it is apparent that something else is running the show.

How can all of these ad-hoc characters be making one meaningful "choice"?  None of them knows what is going on with anything, other than their little "ad hoc".  There is something "driving the bus", but it's not "the Johns".

Once the brain sees what is possible and gets enough examples to work with, it tosses the Johns to the curb.  The Johns made it difficult to see as they were always running around claiming credit or blaming someone else if it went wrong.

John


It feels like I'm falling into Love... there's nothing I can do to escape...


Gary

Keep feeling for anything that isn't Love/Presence/Oneness, and let go of it.

Just let yourself dissolve into it...let it completely flow into and fill what you now feel as your form...

John

It's funny how we're looking for what we are. Isn't that odd?
It never quite resonated with me that meaninglessness was beautiful, until now.

I see it as a dance! That was my goal ever since I heard you say it!
Yus!

Gary

We are all the Dancers, all Her dancing w/Herself, and She is the audience, the conductor, the orchestra, and light and sound folk, etc. Just let go into the Dance...

John

So cool Gary!
Fascinating to see the deeper identifications come to light... quite naturally and effortlessly...


Gary


It's like the draining of a lake...as the level gets lower, i.e. as you become more Still, rocks that were not visible before, are now naturally seen to be present.

As they are seen and effortlessly disappear when they are not "dragged into the boat", the level in the lake continues to be lowered and Stillness becomes ever deeper.


John

Woo . Thanks for being around amigo

It's interesting. The current feeling is a kind of stasis.
Not good, not bad. Not personal or impersonal.
Empty... but not in a definable way.


Gary


i use the terms "full emptiness" and "empty fullness".  Look for whether anything could be taken away, or added, to improve it.

Typically, as the brain gets the system worked out and cleaned up, it generates the neurotransmitters dopamine and some opiods to sweeten it.
It will become so sweet and "yes", that it will be difficult to move away from, particularly as the "I" is no longer around to stir things up and the brain recognizes that this is "the best game in town".

John


It feels like my system is 'clearing itself out'.  In fact, I know this is what is happening.
So cool man!

Ah. The Universe is divinity at play. Ah . And I am that. And you are. Wow
Ah. The Universe is divinity at play. Ah . And I am that. And you are. Wow
Damn phone sends everything twice!

Gary

Even the "damn phone" is the Universe as divinity at play.
And you are That, as the phone and "i" are as well. She is all of It.

John


Heh. Wow!

Life is good eh?   Really good...


Gary

All one has to do is not fight against it, and just let it dance...


John


Who would want to fight such a good thing?
It's funny... how... the roar of the dance always goes on... I feel a bit detached from it somehow... I guess that will pass...

All these feelings will pass…

Gary


All of these feelings, as with this body, stories, thoughts, etc. continually change.
The key is to focus on what it is that doesn't ever change, amid all of this ceaseless change.

The dance continues, but what is the background against which the dance is done?


John


Yeah. I'm noticing on a more real level of understanding that no-one has anything I don't have...no one has more Truth...
It's a further realization that there is no separation...

Over the last few months there has been a huge explosion, but now the smoke is clearing and the dust is settling

Gary

No one has more Truth, because we all are the same Truth just manifesting in different disguises.

That feeling of smoke clearing and dust settling is the brain getting the new configuration worked out.   It has been "cutting and trying" and it's getting it done.

The confusion is that we are only able to look at the brain/"clock" from "the outside", i.e. our conscious awareness.  we can't see the brain @ work as it busily rearranges billions of neurons to accommodate what it really wants, which is more peace, stillness, and clarity and less confusion, anxiety, stress and depression.

John

It's comforting to know the brain is on the case!


Gary


The questions typically are, “If we don't know what it's doing, how can we be sure it will turn out OK?”  What if we don't like it?   Maybe it doesn't care what "we" think about it?


John

Good question!  I guess knowing it's all OK makes it all OK.

Wow, Gary. This has really opened out.
My centre has fallen right away. This is the real deal man.

Amazing!


Gary


What???  You mean what Ramana and Nisargadatta were saying was true???

Just keep letting go of "everything" you can find that you are attached to.

It is truly amazing, particularly as it was there "all along", closer than your breath, w/o needing you to do anything but get out of the way.


John

Amaaaazing. Whoop

It just keeps a changin! I'm wondering if i'll get to a point where it feels 'static' if that makes sense?

Gary

No, as "you" are increasingly “smallified”, you won't reach a "static" point.

The Awareness and Presence that increasingly manifests, is amazingly alive, vibrant and continuously dancing, even as the sense of a concrete observer falls away into Stillness.


John


Yikes! Smallified!   OK...that does make a lot more sense than static…“Smallified” is exactly how it feels...

A concrete observer is falling away...as you say.Actually it's uncannily accurate

Although it's a little bit scary too!

Gary

What is it that is scared?

Just a previously believed to be "concrete observer" that was always a construct is revealed to be a host of ad-hoc Johns masquerading as one...

John Gallagher
John

Yessss!

Feels a bit weird at the moment... 
Now it's less weird...

Finding 'me' is getting very... very tricky...


OK... this is nice... openness... love... peace... gratitude... freedom...



BTW, there is an excellent self-inquiry vid by Prasant Radhakrishnan, "Who hears?...". Prasant is an SF Bay-area, jazz/Indian Carnatic fusion folk who has a deep heritage in Ramana Maharshi's work w/generations of engagement @ Ramanasramam.  we have been working together for several years.  


4 comments:

  1. Hi John,
    Really great to read about the experiences that are unfolding. Sure you are helping many folk along the way. And in fact, probably more than "you" could imagine. IME, the action of self inquiry has proven itself time and time again as a blessing. Grace in a moment. Love in an instant. Born again, free. . .Persistence is useful and to persist is key.
    Smiling and happy from afar. . . . .
    Dominic

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  2. [Random Commenter here]
    Congratulations to you, going deeper into the fold of experience and authenticity. I feel the calling of the direct path and also am motivated to follow its simple (but not easy instructions).

    Question (and this is for Garry or anyone else that can help).

    As I try to refine my Self-Inquiry technique I have come across the chapters in Happiness Beyond Thought I have found useful. Through a simple Google search I found the whole thing on Scripd. Before I know i I have copy on my computer (as well as Dancing Beyond Thought). I am grateful for coming in contact with these teachings. How can I contribute to this project/cause/teacher? I understand these teachings are freely given, but I feel gratitude that wants to express itself.

    Any pointers would be appreciated.

    Love and stillness.

    AndrewP

    Gratitude

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    1. Hi AndrewP.

      Yes, both Happiness Beyond Thought, and Dancing Beyond Thought are available through Scribd as free downloads. If you want hardcopy, you have to pay Amazon or iUniverse to print/provide it - net profits go to kids in south India.

      The blogposts, articles, videos, website, etc. are all free; links under "About" under any of the videos. Check out the 60 youTube videos (just put "Gary Weber - nonduality" in the uT search box.)

      There is no need to contribute. The gratitude can be in "paying it forward".

      Great that you found the books useful. stillness

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  3. This is all very helpful, thank you to Gary, John, commentors, all.

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