We have had three subjects in our "Dialogues
with..." series - Dominic, Rikki and John, on our communication as we
worked through their processes.
This is our third blogpost with Oskar from Barcelona, Spain, 45 years old, and an IT Service Manager at
Catalonia University. He is a rock climber and sumi-e painter who
has meditated nearly every day for 8 years. The previous posts were "Dialogues with Oskar - Stressful situations, rock climbing, loneliness, isolation" and "Dialogues with Oskar - Consciousness, resistance, spiritual identity, progress".
In the comments to the latter post, Oskar described his meditation practice, and gave his e-mail "tao.te.kat at gmail" and blog - http://petitcalfred.wordpress.com.
This post takes up where the last one left off, edited from e-mails over the last 3+ years - oldest first. my comments
are in italics. If anyone wants originals, let me know.
K
Oskar climbing in China |
I've kept doing formal meditation but in daily activities it
is hard to not "forget myself", as in "not being aware of
awareness". I don’t feel it is needed. My mini-doer is very weak now and I live
most of the time just letting things happen, no past, no future.
I've been focusing on non-duality, and “Where am I?" comes to mind often. I'm starting to look to the world trying to deepen its nonduality…it's difficult to explain. I don’t feel the seen world as "me" but I feel attracted by my perceptions to show me something.
I've been focusing on non-duality, and “Where am I?" comes to mind often. I'm starting to look to the world trying to deepen its nonduality…it's difficult to explain. I don’t feel the seen world as "me" but I feel attracted by my perceptions to show me something.
The
sense of self is losing its position, so it's hard to say “where” I am.
G
Being out of our "usual world" is a great place
for major progress. In our "usual world", there are many
"memory tags" that pull us into stories. In a new environment,
the brain is more alert and focused, and w/o "tags", deeper work is
possible.
Oskar teaching climbing |
The brain has always reorganized "by itself". It re-functionalizes to improve skills @ rock
climbing, writing code, doing IT tasks, learning another language, etc., as it
adapts to new skills or environments.
Now, it is re-functionalizing the I/me/my construct.
The more "data" it gets from glimpses of stillness, the faster
it will stabilize in its desired state, returning "Home".
Feeling that you don't need to do formal meditation is
typical. The residue of the "I" runs around saying "I MUST
DO SOMETHING". Feel carefully if
DOING SOMETHING is not "right" - not "in balance".
Trust that deep intuition. The "I" is panicking, trying
to justify its existence.
Things are going well.
Relax, abide, be as still as possible.
If "Where am I?" is manifesting, go with that. Use your perceptions as pointers to what is perceiving - don't get distracted. Imagine yourself on the object and look back at what is perceiving.
If "Where am I?" is manifesting, go with that. Use your perceptions as pointers to what is perceiving - don't get distracted. Imagine yourself on the object and look back at what is perceiving.
K
Your words always resonate with me. It's always like a Christmas gift to receive
your mail :)
The path seems easy, but it's subtle. Let's see how I let the brain do all the work. As you said, the feeling of "me" is getting weaker as awareness grows.
I'm meditating now but because I found it peaceful and joyful. I'm moving from the concentration of shikantaza to "just being well with myself", aligned with your advice.
It's happening by/for itself. I never thought about doing it before it happened. All things happen this way :)
I'll follow your great advice: be still, be calm, relax
A T-shirt says "stay at the center and let all the things take their course - Lao Tse" :)
Oskar - still, calm, relaxed |
The path seems easy, but it's subtle. Let's see how I let the brain do all the work. As you said, the feeling of "me" is getting weaker as awareness grows.
I'm meditating now but because I found it peaceful and joyful. I'm moving from the concentration of shikantaza to "just being well with myself", aligned with your advice.
It's happening by/for itself. I never thought about doing it before it happened. All things happen this way :)
I'll follow your great advice: be still, be calm, relax
A T-shirt says "stay at the center and let all the things take their course - Lao Tse" :)
K
Oskar making sumi-e |
Enjoying roller skating for kms without thinking much. After the workout, the stillness is even greater than after meditating! :)
Beginning sumi-e classes. So nice to paint with an empty mind.
Thank you again for all dear Gary
G
Such a beautiful flowering, like sumi-e, roller skating without
thinking, and sitting in stillness - "doing nothing but staying with
myself".
So simple, and yet so elegant, this work is.
K
It's been some time since my last mail :) I don’t like talking about myself as I feel like everything i say isn’t really
truthful :)
Something changes slowly day after day. There are highs and lows but there's always progress...
The feeling of not being in charge of anything is very strong. I feel some impersonality, like being lived or sometimes feeling like every moment is a now-now-now. No plans, no past…just let happen what has to happen (and enjoy the show).
Thoughts haven’t totally stopped, but they're quite irrelevant. They happen as background.
Me is not at any location. It’s like looking at reality from outside the world, not exactly with my eyes. Consciousness is not located at any concrete point.
Perceptions are brighter and closer, sounds brighter, clearer and louder. I perceive some subtle change in perception but it's difficult to define.
Most of the time I really feel no one is here, just awareness. Sometimes that makes me feel a bit worried that I haven’t been present enough. But not much. :)
Past-I is nearly over - like I don’t have a past. :) It's there but never recalled. Future-I is less deconstructed, but very weak. I can still get disturbed with problems.
Most of the time I feel peace and stillness.
Meditation is deeper every day. Sitting and looking, waiting for whatever has to arise. I'm getting close to something like a "zero" state. No reason for that, no big deal. I meditate just because. I'm not in charge anyway. :) I meditate as any other activity, just because it has to be done. :)
Something changes slowly day after day. There are highs and lows but there's always progress...
The feeling of not being in charge of anything is very strong. I feel some impersonality, like being lived or sometimes feeling like every moment is a now-now-now. No plans, no past…just let happen what has to happen (and enjoy the show).
Thoughts haven’t totally stopped, but they're quite irrelevant. They happen as background.
Me is not at any location. It’s like looking at reality from outside the world, not exactly with my eyes. Consciousness is not located at any concrete point.
Sumi-e by Oskar |
Perceptions are brighter and closer, sounds brighter, clearer and louder. I perceive some subtle change in perception but it's difficult to define.
Most of the time I really feel no one is here, just awareness. Sometimes that makes me feel a bit worried that I haven’t been present enough. But not much. :)
Past-I is nearly over - like I don’t have a past. :) It's there but never recalled. Future-I is less deconstructed, but very weak. I can still get disturbed with problems.
Most of the time I feel peace and stillness.
Meditation is deeper every day. Sitting and looking, waiting for whatever has to arise. I'm getting close to something like a "zero" state. No reason for that, no big deal. I meditate just because. I'm not in charge anyway. :) I meditate as any other activity, just because it has to be done. :)
G
Great that perceptions are changing and
that you are having a difficult time pinpointing where you are. What remains of the Oskars will suggest
approaches to be "done" to make things "better".
"...the feeling of not being in charge of anything is
very strong", as well as feeling you’re "being lived" in
"now, now, now" are strong indicators that the brain has taken over
the process. The pattern is being worked out as it "cuts and
tries" to optimize and strengthen the new modified OS.
Just keep "sitting and looking" in peace and
stillness, not knowing why you're doing the "meditation". This
is valuable "data time" for the brain w/o narrative mind interference.
Trying to guess how things are going from the conscious
mind's vantage point is futile. It can’t
see the "unconscious", which is why it’s called that. It's
like trying to understand how a clock works by watching it tell time. It
is great that “we” can’t be aware of, and involved in, what the brain is doing,
because we would almost certainly mess it up.
Being disturbed by problems will diminish. Watch for narrative
spinning a big story. If that occurs, engage the surrender/letting go
approaches or just simply "let go, let go" of it.
It is going "beautifully" Oskar, or whatever
remains of that fellow...
K
After six months living in that new world, while roller-skating it was suddenly realized that "I'm just LIFE" - that brought me a lot of energy and happiness that still lasts. It was a very energetic feeling of being alive, just life!
It wasn’t denying that I was consciousness but somehow it
was added to consciousness. It was
related to energy and feeling – before it was all thought and consciousness.
It's hard to describe.
It's obvious that we're life, but it's very clear now that I feel bliss and love more often, more like I'm consciousness-bliss or awareness-life.
I feel more focused and alive with fewer thoughts and am less identified with them. They arise and pass without any trace.
Whatever I am remains just being there, while body and mind do their work. Recently there was some tension about thoughts that now has disappeared and I feel more stable and at peace.
I had a dream. Feeling a lot of love, love as I've never felt, and opening my eyes, my love was all over the things I see, over all the world, and the world was also me, everything was me and was love. It was very intense.
It's hard to describe.
It's obvious that we're life, but it's very clear now that I feel bliss and love more often, more like I'm consciousness-bliss or awareness-life.
Oskar's blind cat |
I feel more focused and alive with fewer thoughts and am less identified with them. They arise and pass without any trace.
Whatever I am remains just being there, while body and mind do their work. Recently there was some tension about thoughts that now has disappeared and I feel more stable and at peace.
I had a dream. Feeling a lot of love, love as I've never felt, and opening my eyes, my love was all over the things I see, over all the world, and the world was also me, everything was me and was love. It was very intense.
BTW, i was interviewed by Maureen Metcalf for the Voice of America Business Channel. "The brains of leaders: Manage Your Thinking to Improve Your Effectiveness" will air @ 11:00 am PST/2:00 pm EST on Mar. 29. i will post an .mp3 when it becomes available.
Thank you again Oskar and Gary.
ReplyDeleteGary, what did you mean when you said, " Imagine yourself on the object and look back at what is perceiving?"
Hi Lou. It is a nondual awakening meditation practice and is used in the video "NonDual Awakening Meditation - Where am I?" @ https://youtu.be/dmtGdoh7xHk and others. It appears from about 7:00 through 9:00.
Deleteyou visualize yourself on the bank of a river watching the stream of sensations, emotions, thoughts, stories, etc. flowing by, while you sit on the bank still and present. As you become aware of the Watcher, and realize that anything that you can objectify is "not you", you explore what this Watcher is.
Then you "imagine yourself in the river, on the object you are perceiving, and look back at what is there, on the bank, watching". Then you move into exploring it and trying to find exactly "where it is".
It is a very useful vehicle to understand just what this "I" might be, and whether it exists or not.
Trust this is useful.
stillness
gary
I'm currently abstaining from listening/watching any audio/visual content anywhere. That means no voluntary turning on the TV, no youtube, no movies, no music etc. I was a hopeless youtube junkie and film buff before I started my self-imposed A/V abstention and now, just after 1 week of succesfully doing it, my life has become much simpler (and rustic & peaceful in a beautiful way) and I'm more productive (more focused on studies now and hopefully have increased my employability), and most importantly, I get much more daily spare time and energy for meditation and self-inquiry, designed to stop the self-referential internal narrative happening in my head, for the good.
ReplyDeleteYour content is the only exception to my "A/V abstinence rule" and I've enjoyed reading this post and also had a good time listening to your talk with Maureen Metcalf.
Thank You.
- Navaneet
(23, India)
Hi Navaneet. A media fast is a powerful practice and a major support for more serious work, as you have found.
DeleteThe short videos "Is the world broken, and if it is, can we fix it" @ https://youtu.be/XzSDaG-9t0w, and "Getting to stillness in a crisis" @ https://youtu.be/ccz5IyLztyk will give you some supportive dialogue on the importance and power of your "A/V abstinence rule".
stillness and letting go of A/V
gary
After a decade and a half of seeking, albeit on an intellectual level predominantly, I have in recent times started on the path if meditation in true earnestness, I can think of nothing else daily, I love my practices but think I may well benefit from some guidance ✌
DeleteHi Colm. The most important and useful thing i have found in working w/folk is that they take the time and effort to read through/see/listen to the material that already exists, so we're on the same page and using the same language. Many, many, in fact virtually all, questions are already answered.
DeleteIf you look under "Show More" in any of my > 100 youTube videos (many w/Rich Doyle), you'll see links to all of my stuff including many interviews, the website, and three books (one co-authored with Rich Doyle). This blog is on a Google platform, so it is key-word searchable. All of my work is available free in some format.
After you have done this, if you look under "About" on the website, you'll find my e-mail. i am working w/many, many folk so it is helpful if you keep the e-mails to less than 250 or 300 words and only 1/week, so this way of working can continue.
stillness
gary
Hello. I have just created an account and have much inquiry, I have not much experience doing this. But I feel I would benefit from the guiding wisdom I feel reading this site... How can I ask some direct questions ?
ReplyDeleteHi Colm.
DeletePlz see the answer to your earlier question above.
stillness
Thank you. I actually believe the answers are already 'out there' and will be presented to me when im best able to digest them. I often have questions when my meditation goes a bit barren, or I'm not feeling the 'presence'. This romance is all to me, so as such I keep my options and channels always open, prime consciousness works with everything at hand and everyone is a teacher. Thanks again, Im away to face the gathering calm ✌
ReplyDeleteHi Colm,
DeleteA great attitude, which is critical.
As you say "prime consciousness works with everything at hand and everyone is a teacher", a really important point. So many make the mistake that their teacher must look like so and so, when in fact the "teacher" that is really useful at just that time may be some book that calls to you, a video you happen upon "by chance", something you hear waiting in a queue from "nobody special", or a walk in nature.
Great languaging of "i'm away to face the gathering calm".
stillness
Amazing! Beautiful, wonderful, lovely.. so encouraging to see one on the path “making” it, so to speak. Gratitude.
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